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Poster: Phillydeadhead Date: Dec 29, 2005 4:41am
Forum: forums Subject: Dead stuff selling?

Does anybody know if Grateful Dead merchandise has been selling as of late? Just wondering if most of the angry fans here stuck to their guns and the boycott

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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Jan 19, 2006 7:25pm
Forum: forums Subject: Re: Dead stuff selling?

This is a really interesting question, and i'm especially curious b/c I have not boycotted the official GD web site per se, but, as I said from the beginning of this controversy, I have not frequented it NEARLY as much as I used to simply b/c of the high quality shows being removed from the archive.

I can better explain it this way, through the wisdom of THE SIMPSON'S:

Remember when Apu (manager of the local Kwik-E-Mart) lived w/the Simpsons and asked Marge where to put the cans of corn? She said "In the cupboard" and he said "Oh, they'll never move that way" and proceeded to put the cans out in display on the countertop. Sure enough Bart and Lisa walk by and see the cans and say "Wow, corn! Haven't had that in a while" and they each take a can. (Stick w/me here, I DO have a point).

And that is that, personally, before I found the archive, I would only occassionally check in w/the official GD site; I knew the Dix Pix were only offered about once eevry 3 months so I would forget about it and once in a while check. When I saw something i liked, I';d buy.

But w/the SBD's available on archive, I had my Dead battery recharged. The shows only whetted my appetite for more, and I found myself going to the GD site and BUYING more and more...older Dix Pix I had passed by; other items, older CD's, boxed sets, you name it.

and already since the SBD';s went away i've gone to the official site less and less. Basically, out of sight, out of mind.

I think the decision to remove the SBDs was really at its core a bad move for Bobby and the rest ECONOMICALLY for the very reason that Apu demonstrated to Marge.

If you remove the tantalization of the shows, the other items won't move nearly as well.

I only know this from my own experience. Maybe others would disagree. But i'd sure love to see a study done based on this "Apu theory."

GC

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Poster: DEADBUCK Date: Jan 19, 2006 9:32pm
Forum: forums Subject: Re: Dead stuff selling?

you are absolutely correct....w/o a doubt!
DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH!

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Jan 19, 2006 9:42pm
Forum: forums Subject: Re: Dead stuff selling?

superb analogy grendel!! although i visit this site almost as regularly as before (tons of great music still here), i certainly don't visit the dead's site much at all. that sour taste just wont go away while bobby's oh-so-carefully-chosen-words "see ya" are still resonating on my eardrums.

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Poster: Phillydeadhead Date: Jan 24, 2006 4:23pm
Forum: forums Subject: Re: Dead stuff selling?

When did Weir say this? was it posted somewhere?

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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Jan 24, 2006 7:30pm
Forum: forums Subject: Re: Dead stuff selling?

Comments came during a radio interview he gave in, I think, Colorado prior to a Ratdog show. I'm sure someone can provide a link to that interview, but basically it was Bob sounding EXTREMELY annoyed at those who were angry about the SBD's being taken away from this site.

At one point, referring to news of a proposed boycott of GD.NET, he said something like "for all those people who want to boycott us...good, I hope they do ...see ya", and the contempt in his voice was positively dripping.

(this is not something the moderators here are crazy about revisiting, btw...just FYI...as I said in my posting above here, I find Bob's position odd mostly b/c my assumption--w/out any proof--is that the official site actually benefits from the SBD's being on this site, and would increase, not decrease, their bottom line).

GC

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Poster: Diana Hamilton Date: Jan 24, 2006 9:51pm
Forum: forums Subject: Re: pointer to GD quotes, forum

Here are collated quotes: http://deadnews.blogspot.com/2006/01/archive-quotes.html

Here is a place where it is more appropriate to keep on venting about GD issues: http://deadnetcentral.com

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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Jan 19, 2006 9:54pm
Forum: forums Subject: Re: Dead stuff selling?

yeah, that still stings.

Much like Diana reigns in the bitter and uncivilized posts that sometimes denigrate the otherwise worthy and important discussion of this emotionally charged issue, I think it was really unofrtunate that Bob chose to dismiss so readily the very fans that out him in such an economically fortuitous vantage point in the first place.

BTW, please continue to recommend high quality sounding and well played AUD's you find here. Always like your reviews.

GC

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Poster: N.Y. JACK Date: Jan 19, 2006 10:20pm
Forum: forums Subject: Re: Dead stuff selling?

WHY ARE SO MANY FREAKING OUT? AFTER ALL THE GOODTIMES,GREAT MUSIC,AND GREAT PEOPLE WE ALL HAVE MET THRU THE YEARS. I GUESS ALOT OF PEOPLE JUST DONT GET IT.
THE BAND HAS EVERY RIGHT TO DO WHAT THEY WANT.

IF YOU WROTE A BOOK WOULD YOU GIVE IT AWAY FOR FREE?

THERE IS SO MUCH FREE MUSIC HERE YOU COULD NOT LISTEN TO IN A LIFE TIME.

YOU SHOULD THANK YOUR LUCKY STARS INSTEAD OF CRYING ABOUT THIS SUBJECT.

WHATS THE BIG DEAL?

WATCH EACH CARD AND TAKE IT SLOW

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Jan 19, 2006 11:32pm
Forum: forums Subject: Re: Dead stuff selling?

not quite sure to whom you are referring, but i don't see that either myself nor GC are "freaking out" over this. at the moment, this seems like a relatively calm discussion concerning an interesting subject.

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Poster: guygee Date: Jan 20, 2006 12:05am
Forum: forums Subject: Re: Dead stuff selling?

I totally agree grendel, for most of the Dick's Pick's I have bought the awareness came from browsing this site first. It was like, "I'm tired of my 10th gen cassette copy", then before the Archives it was on to checking etree ftp servers or bt.etree or Furthernet every day for somebody to seed the show. Finally, I found out about the Music Archives and would go to look it up, and it would say "Buy Dick's Pick 24". Cool, so I would go and buy it. Now, there is no way in my entire remaining life I could afford to go buy all those SBDs. I am not even going to try.

To understand how some people feel so betrayed, you have to go back to the beginnings of etree. Before that, trading unfortunately meant trying to get into some elitist trading circle. But, partly in reaction to online mp3 pollution, etree really opened everything up for lossless trading, and thousands of people devoted a signficant fraction of their lives to culling though all the sources to find the best surviving lossless sources for all the shows. There were hundreds of etree ftp sites at any given time devoted to spreading the music, including collecting uploads. Lineage was meticulously traced and catalogued and md5's were put online to make sure the best sources were circulating. Now I cannot say I made any great contribution to this process, but I watched this process unfold enough to realize that it all that took a lot of time, effort and money on the part of devoted fans. Finally, everything seemed to get consolidated here. Although I don't agree, I can understand why some must feel it was all like some unintentional "honeypot sting".

I am very grateful for all of the auds and all of the other music still here, so I am sorry I had to spell that out for the people replying in all caps. I think they just don't understand the history on how all the best sources and wide variety of shows were collected in the first place.


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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Jan 20, 2006 12:59am
Forum: forums Subject: Re: Dead stuff selling?

I didn't either, and it's been a revelation.

Thanks for the info...
Peace and happy listening, however it happens!

GC

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Poster: cosmicharlie Date: Jan 20, 2006 1:17am
Forum: forums Subject: Re: Dead stuff selling?

Well, I'll continue buying DicksPicks and such, continue to research and discover great Aud shows here AND cross reference some of the Streaming SB's here with their availability on gdlive. Example: I just downloaded a great SB of 5/9/77 off of gdlive after reading about it here.

* peace and love abound *

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Poster: ascheylus Date: Jan 3, 2006 9:25am
Forum: forums Subject: Re: Dead stuff selling?

I've stuck to the boycott!!!!! Archive.org seems awful now. No fun anymore. Just a bunch of crappy audience recordings and ppl bitching about the soundboards and some erstwhile curators saying it's time to "move on." Screw GDM. Archive.org and the Band made an arrangement. The FANS got screwed and weren't included. I hardly ever come to Archive.org anymore. It sucks without the soundboards. The boycott continues!!!!!! & remember that the curator who is telling us it's time to move on has access to all those soundboards. I have 130 5 Star Soundboards I downloaded before Archive went to s***. Send me an external hard drive and I'll load them up. Send me DVD's and I'll copy them. Screw Bobby.

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Poster: tigerbolt Date: Jan 3, 2006 10:48am
Forum: forums Subject: Re: Dead stuff selling?

the last dick's picks #36 sold above average and is way better sounding copy than the one that was here way back when.don't let phil,mick and billy fool you,their cashing in on bobby actions,just not taking the heat for it like bobby.anyway you can find information on billboard magazine about sales of cd's by just about every band out.i think dick's pick's #36 sold 80-90 thousand more units than the norm.mighty fine show by the way.

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Poster: dcc292 Date: Jan 19, 2006 7:43am
Forum: forums Subject: Re: Dead stuff selling?

I'd be absolutely shocked if any Dick's Picks could sell 80,000 units.

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Poster: geronimo1 Date: Jan 3, 2006 11:00am
Forum: forums Subject: Re: Dead stuff selling?

I do not believe that they have sold any 80,000 copies yet. No way. I'm going to check.

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Poster: Liamfinnegan Date: Jan 3, 2006 2:23pm
Forum: forums Subject: Re: Dead stuff selling?

I do not care either way if the stuff is selling.

YOu can't take it with you as the saying goes

I am enjoying being able to stream the soundboards- which is what I did before, anyway, and thank the archive for making this great enjoyment available.

I am especially thankful I can stream, because if I had to rely on traders I would be in trouble- all the posts about "going back to trading" are so much dead weight in my book, as a few people who posted to contact them- which I did- have sent NOTHING to me. They stopped anwering my e-mails when the boards came back up-

These traders did not even give me an address to send blanks- As soon as they found out I was a beginner they ran the other way- as it has always been, unfortunately it appears will always be.

It is because of this I am really pleased to be able to stream the boards here

If for some reason we lose the boards again, please do not post the disingenuous crap about how great trading is, and how we should reach out and meet people, and all that BS- A beginner is still an anethma- a beginner is still treated like a leper

Why is it this way?





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Poster: rvaDUBfan Date: Jan 18, 2006 10:06am
Forum: forums Subject: Re: Dead stuff selling?

hey man...if you send me some blanks i will GLADLY burn you whatever is available...i feel bad for you cause i was in your position long ago...i had no cd burner and a spindle full of blanks, but no stingy trader wanted to give me the time of day for a b&p...i won't let it happen to anyone else if i can help it...in fact:

ANYONE WHO WANTS A B&P SEND BLANKS AND A NOTE WITH A LIST OF SHOWS TO
BLAKE WILLIAMS
1575 WINBURY DRIVE
MIDLOTHIAN, VA 23114

THIS IS AN OPEN B&P OFFER TO ALL WHO WANT LIVE MUSIC BUT HAVE NO MEANS OF GETTING IT (but then, why would you be here, if that was the case...oh well, my offer still stands)

here's my list:
http://free.hostdepartment.com1/1/13moon/showlist.html

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Poster: Liamfinnegan Date: Jan 19, 2006 1:12am
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Thanks so much for your offer, Kimock- but your link to your shows is dead.

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Poster: ascheylus Date: Jan 5, 2006 10:06am
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hey Liamfinnegan, email me at: ascheylus@yahoo.com

I've got several options to get you a lot of the five star soundboards that were pulled from Archive. I've got 130 five star soundboard shows.

If you send me the media to copy them, I'll get them back to you and help you if I can to get them onto CD's, etc.

I'm in Indianapolis & look forward to hearing from you.

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Poster: rollandfin Date: Mar 19, 2006 2:32am
Forum: forums Subject: Re: Dead stuff selling?

About Dick's Picks 36, is the beginning of Friend Of the Devil missing? as was in the old circulating copy? does anybody know?
would love to hear

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Poster: Phillydeadhead Date: Feb 13, 2006 4:51am
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I took Matt up on his offer and he was kind enough to burn all of these shows onto DVD for me. This was a wonderful gesture on his part, just so a fellow Head could have the opportunity to listen to some great sounding music that was no longer available due to Bobby Weir's actions. People like Matt are the reason our great community and fanbase has been together for over 40 years.

Thanks again Matt for all of your help

Len

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Poster: inthenameofartbell Date: Apr 22, 2006 1:31pm
Forum: forums Subject: Re: Dead stuff selling?

unfortunately people need to be compensated for their time.
its not always because they are greedy, usually they have better reasons. sometimes people are just being greedy. or they get sucked into some premature vision of election results, by the district, online for everyone in the whole world to review, email, print and post on the street.

I dont understand why the archive makes the soundboards availiable for stream and not for DL .. it should be the other way around, just to conserve bandwidth.

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Poster: geronimo1 Date: Jan 3, 2006 10:36am
Forum: forums Subject: Re: Dead stuff selling?

Man, I'm with you 100%. It sucks now and we the fans put together all those shows that made up the Archive. Yeah, they put in all the hard work and all, but like you said, they still have access!!! I'm tired of trying to be mature about this. This is my first bitching report, but its valid. Thanks for cuttin' loose, I needed to get that outa my system. Fuck Bob Weir, Keep up the boycott people, I have. Thanks for inspiring me to vent. And once again, as this fellow declares, all the Archive people saying move on have access to the collection we helped create. If the Archive is not willing to fight for us, free legal services have been offered, no more donations!!!!!!!

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Poster: caspersvapors Date: Jan 19, 2006 7:09am
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whatever man, the Dead are my favorite band of all time and Im still gonna support them. [mod], but the same cant be said for the rest of the band, especially Phil and Jerry. Phil put on a great show NYE and I was happy to be there. As a matter of fact, I think I'll order DP #36 right now...heh.[]

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Poster: guygee Date: Jan 9, 2006 11:25pm
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Well, one thing is for sure, the bootleggers are rejoicing. Like it or not, I predict we'll be seeing a huge increase in GD bootlegs in the future. Yeah, and there will be plenty of people who will be happy to pay the price...:-(

New Corporate Dead Policy=Bootleggers Dream

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Poster: psychedellic wallflower Date: Jan 10, 2006 12:58am
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i understand everyones all upset about this since we're all about free love and free music etc...but seriously guys how many cds do you own from GASP other bands whove been doing the music INDUSTRY thing since the beginning? the boys gave so much of themselves and for free for so long i think they deserve a little bit if a payoff for it...we shouldnt be hating on the mates for wanting to rake in a bit of money so they dont have to get some lame ass job to finish out their time here on earth...they're no longer touring together, they all have less than successful side projects just to keep playing music which is what they love first and foremost always have, always will...so while everyones bitching about not being able to have SOUNDBOARd recordings...keep in mind that people still have recordings of these shows, be they cassette or otherwise, and god forbid we revamped the community aspect lost since jerrys passing which to me is more shameful than the boys asking for money for what they deserve....we should all be ashamed of ourselves for being so greedy and hating on that same quality in people that put everything on the line to give us great shows decade after decade....even though some of us werent as lucky as some of you to be able to experience ANY shows with Jerry....think of how our hearts feel about our irreparable loss..........i'm not bitching at all, im just trying to show everyone how shameless and aggressive many have been and hope that yuo will reconsider your feelings on this whole "fight" or whatever you wish to call it

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Poster: guygee Date: Jan 10, 2006 6:20am
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shameless...aggressive...greedy. Who are we talking about again?

Surely you cannot mean the fans. Remember the year the Grateful Dead out-earned Micheal Jackson in his prime? That money didn't come from recording industry marketing weasels, or from radio payola, but from the loyal fans attending live shows.

What was once given has now been taken away. Forget about the legal song and dance, the piper plays a sour tune.

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Poster: pyroguyperson Date: Jan 19, 2006 4:36am
Forum: forums Subject: Re: Dead stuff selling?

Well let's not forget the post a ways up from the guy trying to get shows from fellow heads and every one of them bailed on him (by the way, i forget your username but email me if you want: pyroguyperson@gmail.com and i'll get you what i can, i don't have much but i've got some stuff)

And let's not forget about all the fans screaming asshole at Bobby for saying "well, see ya" to the same fans (not all of them in general, just the boycotters) who were saying basically the same thing to him and the rest of the band as soon as the recordings were taken off. Talk about hypocricy, complaining about all they've given him and the group while forgetting they only gave so much because of how much they all gave you guys.

Everyone seems to forget that you only can't get the SBD's off the archive, but if you go on bt.etree there are 200 pages of mostly SBD's... And there's still people offering B+P's and trades for all of them. Plus, you can still stream them. And they still haven't stopped Dark Star Orchestra from putting shows up. And all of these are still up there for FREE.

Plus, look whose not on the archive:

Jerry Garcia (any projects except the dead)
The Dead
Ratdog (post 2002)

Where were the boycotts when these happened? Where were all the Jerry quotes and petitions when Jerry's estate refused to allow any of Jerry's groups on the archive?


This boycotting is nothing but pettiness. The music's still flowing freely for anyone to grab, whether they want the remastered official releases or the free coppies on the net. It's all there. I'm only into the Grateful Dead for the music. So if you guys wanna butt heads with the people who made all this for you and lose out on more of it because of empty pride, fine, but next time Bobby's in town or next time I can afford another official release from Dick's Picks, I'll get it, and I'll enjoy it.

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Poster: guygee Date: Jan 19, 2006 4:41pm
Forum: forums Subject: Re: Dead stuff selling?

First, I really appreciate your offer to share what GD shows you have with me. I recently lost a lot in a disk crash, but I still have a few and once I get them organized I would like to get back to you.

Now, much of what you say above is true. But I cannot totally agree with some of what you said. Sure we can hassle with BT...at least for now. But a lot of the good vibe about going to a Grateful Dead concert was knowing that they would let you share their music with your friends, and your friends share the music with you. Every concert was different, and they made their living playing live music, so this arrangement worked out great for both the band and the fans. In part, this loving sharing attitude was why they had so many fans. In this, they were truly pioneers that led the way for hundreds of taper friendly bands. Now, no matter how you cut it, the pact between the band and the fans has been partially broken. I do not completely share in the intense anger of the most bitter, but I certainly understand and sympathize. You have to wait until you can afford another Dick's Pick, but Bobby can afford a lot more than that; he just decided to promote himself from a fan-friendly musician of the people to Just Another Elite Rock Star. That is how I feel about it right now, anyways.

"Jerry's estate" isn't Jerry. In the end, I ask myself, if Jerry was still with us, would this have happened? I am pretty sure I know the answer to that one.

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